Bereavement Support Group

My dad is in heaven...and I will never believe any different...I beleive that what we are living right now is hell..all the wars, diseases, famine, and the list goes on and on...Just my opinion

Prof! What's this supposed to mean?? It looks like it says people die on the new earth!

“No more will there come to be a suckling a few days old from that place, neither an old man that does not fulfill his days; for one will die as a mere boy, although a hundred years of age;.."

Profffffffff..... My Bible has the comma after "you":

"And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in Paradise."

NOT

” And he said to him: “Truly I tell you today, You will be with me in Paradise.”

#72: (to FrSpir007)

Yes, That is true, Some people may still die in the new system, under God's Kingdom arrangement.

The Scripture says this because some people may stubbornly refuse to learn and do God's Will, although a hundred years of age, a person will be, relatively speaking, as a mere boy (or child) since the years we will live at that time, will be many centures long and we'll never grow old. Some people will just refuse to learn righteousness and God may permit them to continue for sometime, like a hundred years or so, with long-suffering, and much patience on God's part, and patiently waiting to see if the person might change their mind and turn around and leave their old sinful ways.
They would have to "Strip off the old personality with its practices, and clothe yourselves with the new [personality], which through accurate knowledge is being made new according to the image of the One who created it."-Col. 3:9b,10.
And, in Ephesians, it puts it this way, "that YOU should put away the old personality which conforms to YOUR former course of conduct and which is being corrupted according to his deceptive desires; but that YOU should be made new in the force actuating YOUR mind, and should put on the new personality which was created according to God’s will in true righteousness and loyalty."-Eph. 4:22-24.

If they still refuse, Then Yes, They can die. But the death that they would die, would be the second death, and that means there would be NO resurrection for that individual. They would have to be an everlasting, eternal death.

I can go into more on this if you wish and explain in fuller detail, but I don't think that would be necessary, as the explaination seems fairly well so far.
Thanks for asking.

#73: (to FrSpir007):
Yes, I am aware of that difference in the versions we are using. The one you are using, says "Truly I tell you , today you will be with me in paradsie, wheras mine says, Truly I tell you today, You will be with me in paradise".

This is because when translators were translating the Bible, They decided to put in their own ideas on HOW it should say that verse.
IF it were to say, Truly I tell you, Today you will be with me in paradise," That is the same as saying that on that very day that the person that Jesus was talking to, was to die, that they would be in paradise that very same day... but remember what the verse said BEFORE Jesus said this to the robber. The robber said to Jesus,
"Jesus remember me when you get into your kingdom",
and then came Jesus response that that statement.

Jesus was not set to begin ruling as King in heaven yet, and this is clear in the scriptures in the chapter, and in other areas of the Bible.

But as it should properly say, when Jesus responded to the robber, was, "Truly I tell to you today, You will be with me in paradise."

Because Jesus was speaking to him on that day, when they were both to die, He made a valid promise to the thief, "Truly I tell you today," with the commas AFTER today, instead of before it, made the statement clearer to understand, and more comprehensible to us, the readers of the account, in Luke 22.

Prof- Do you interpret that new earth sripture to mean we won't remember anything about our earthly lives, won't recognize our loved ones, etc.... or do you take it to mean we're just gonna have like amnesia about the earth stuff but still know who everyone is?

And Prof.... what about John 3:16, which promises Christians life everlasting? How can we still die on the new earth if Christians are given everlasting life through Christ?

#76 (to FrSpir007):
Actually, Neither. What this verse you are asking about, at Isaiah 65:17, refers to the time, when our memories of this old system of things ruled by Satan the Devil and all the evils in this world we currently live in NOW, will not be remembered, "nor will they be called to mind."
Jehovah God will make us eventually forget about the past and the wickedness we now experience in this world, and this will help us to carry on righteousness to the nth degree and all memory of sin and it's affects on us "will not come up into the heart," so we wouldn't be tempted by a sinful nature, or the damaging causes of sin to harm our minds and/or hearts in any way.

The Bible says, at Jeremiah 17:9: “The heart is more treacherous than anything else and is desperate. Who can know it?"

So, this being the case, Would you want to remember all the evils we have to presently deal with in this world, to still be in the back of your minds in the new world?
How beneficial would that be, to still have all the old memories of bad times? Or, How beneficial would life be like then, when we can recall all of the bad things that occur in life like it is living NOW, in this period in time?

Recalling those memories in the future time when the world is covered with peace and love and kindness and mildness from everyone you meet and everywhere you look... Not a very pleasant thought, is it?

Wouldn't you agree?

#77 (to FrSpir007):

Your Question: "And Prof.... what about John 3:16, which promises Christians life everlasting? How can we still die on the new earth if Christians are given everlasting life through Christ?"



Like I had said in the last response, (#76), In TWO ways can a person still die in the new system of God's Kingdom.

1) If they find out that the stuff they are learning they cannot agree with and refuse to odey God's requirements of him/her, and continue on indefinitely in that manner, God would sentence judgment on that person, and the sentence would be death for endless disobedience to God's Laws and regulations at that time.



2) If that person were to live all the way through to the end of the 1000 years of Christ's rulership over the earth, and when Satan is released from the abyss to mislead perfected mankind for the short time that the Scriptures says he would have.
If that person became disobedient and decided to follow Satan's lead, and ideas, and ways of thinking, as it is in the world today, and actually were to commit a sin, that sin would be a fully intentional and willful spirit of independence, and turning away from God, and of not making it a loyal decision of practicing His will.
This person would die when fire comes down out of heaven and devours all disobedient ones on earth, destroying them forever.
This would be the end of ALL wickedness FOR ALL TIME, Forever.

In my Bible, the wording of John 3:16 is a little different than most Bibles, but a valid and effective difference.

"“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life."--John 3:16.


You see, It says All those "EXERCISING FAITH in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life." Most Bibles say, "everyone BELIEVING in him."

Is this a very effective translation? Apparently not, cuz alot of people think that just BELIEVING in God and Christ is good enough, But NOTHING is mentioned about EXERCISING THAT BELIEF, and having works along with your faith. This can only be gained by taking in accurate knowledge of God Word. (John 17:3; 1 Tim. 2:3,4) Cuz "Faith without works is dead."--James 2:24-26

The remaining ones would have proved themselves faithful to the fullest degree and loyal to God under all circumstances and trials and these are the ones that will gain Jehovah's eternal favor, have their names written in the book of life, and gain everlasting life on earth in paradise.

Prof. Thank you. You have been very helpful to me. I wanted the animals to be there so badly. Animals are so great. They are in a way better than men! They kill to eat, not just out of evil like men do! You are indeed a blessing of lnowledge. Thans again. prayers , and love to my friend Prof! Peggy